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Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 07:54:54 (EST)

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chr(Chris)

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Abi's post and other matters
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It's been a long time since I read or posted here. The post from Abi Ifound particularly disturbing. When I received K I had a young daughter. I was only 21 and not in relationship with the mother. However she lived with me half the time and we were very close. Within 6 months of receiving K (1973) I had moved into the ashram and deserted my daughter, convinced I was doing the right thing and backed up by a mahatma. Years later, after the ashrams were disbanded, she came to live with me and spent most of her teenage years with me. To cut a long story short, she was one of many children of premies who suffered because their misguided parents gave all their love and attention to M. I could go on and on....families split due to service and ashrams, especially during the deca period. Children carted to satsang every night or left to fend for themselves while parents sat under a blanket. We really became emotional cripples, giving ourselves and our natural feelings, emotions, thoughts away in exchange for this thing we called K and devotion, convinced we were actually finding our true selves. It took me years after leaving M to really be able to feel natural, heartfelt feelings and not believe that they were an illusion. ALSO, some premie down near the end of the messages was trying to claim that premies were never kicked out of the ashram etc . During 1981, there was a purge world wide. Premies who were not deemed suitable or were perceived to be struggling in the ashrams were asked to leave. I was in ashrams in three different countries during this time and I saw it happen in each of them. I was even asked to tell a premie to leave and another time told to lock somebody out who had been told to go . ALL the people I knew of suffered greatly, felt like failures and that they had somehow displeased M. I just figured that M knew what he was doing and these people just needed to surrender more...

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Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 13:01:49 (EST)

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JW

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chr(Chris)

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Thanks Chris
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I really appreciated that thoughtful and very personal post. Posts like yours are extremely powerful and I think very helpful. I know they are to me. Your discussion of your daughter is so poigniant. It's great she got to spend her teenage years with you, and I know there were many others who have similar stories to tell.

As I have mentioned, the purge of 1981, and the uncarring brutality of it, was really the incident that began the 'snapping' process and got me out of the cult. I never had to ask anyone to leave the ashram, but I do recall how terrorized many of the ashram premies were. After having their self-esteem smashed down for years by Maharaji's rantings that human beings are NOTHING without his grace, and how we were to lose our egos in devotional surrender to him, and after years of giving up everything to devote to and serve him, some of his henchmen then go around and terrorize these premies and tell them they are failures at even being a devotee. It was really sick.

And Maharaji was completely behind it. David Smith told me directly that he was instructed by Maharaji to 'clean up the ashrams.' It was a witch hunt. There was no right way to be an ashram premie. Everyone was brutalized. Mind you, David's own sadism came into play in this situation, but Maharaji gave him and others license to inflict it on very vulnerable people.

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Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 12:12:18 (EST)

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bb

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JW

Subject:

Thanksgiving story!
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I know one girl who left her two little ones in Atlanta because of the heavy approach.
And numerous others.
Your right, the wrecked families were...
I just remembered a satsang where a girl told us about 'thanksgiving' when one of the relatives at the dinner table asked her 'I hear you are doing meditation dear,' and the Premies response was (perfect), 'Guru MaHARAJ JI's knowledge is so powerful that if you cut off my mothers head and put it on the plate in front of me It wouldnt affect me' 

5 Brighter than 1000 suns as seen through night vision goggles
4 As bright as the lights on Maharaji's jet
3 As bright as a 60 watt light bulb
2 As bright as a pile of burning ghi on a swinging arti tray
1 As bright as the inner light as seen by the third eye
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