As I can see there were different types of Premis then:

Maybe there were numerous heroin addicts in the UK saved by Knowledge, but from my anecdotal experience in the U.S. I knew of only one person who had been into heroin. Yes, maybe more and others can throw in their two cents, but your claim is, IMO, an exaggeration.

Sure, there were people who used drugs prior to Knowledge and maybe Knowledge temporarily interrupted their drug use, but I would estimate such drug use to consist of the usual marijuana, LSD, and whatever else was most common. Heroin, IMO, was the exception rather than the rule.

As I can see there were different types of Premis then:

1. Those who were seekers..some found and some left..
2. Those whom the Earth has half swollowed..And wher either almost dead or about to die from junk..their brains were junk...and the FACT THAT THEY ARE ALIVE AND POSTING ON THE FORUM NOW ...You Should thank M for that...You guys could have been all DEAD by now....where is Jim Morrison...Jimi Hendrix...Their minds were JUNKED OUT...

Jim responded:
Hey fool,

Fakir and Mr. White Guy Everybrother conpsired made a plan which, if I recall, was first for Mr. White Guy Everybrother to contact Halley and gain his confidence. They cooked up a story which was that Mr. White Guy Everybrother was an ex-premie who knew an old, disgruntled Indian ex who'd like to meet him and share some dirt on m. They planned the time, place and roles they'd play. At some point, they chose a weapon.

They met with Halley under entirely false pretenses and played their roles throughout. At the fateful moment, offering to show Halley the 'secret techniques', they turned to lights out and one of them, whoever they decided would have the honour of avenging their Lord of the Universe most directly -- and oh, what a solemn honour that was! -- smashed the unsuspecting prankster in the head mercilessly. Then they left, obviously either thinking they'd killed him or, at very best, being entirely indifferent to his fate. That is, they did not call an ambulance or, better still, sa they were sorry and drive him to a hospital. No, they left him t die.

Then they retreated -- exactly as planned.

And you say this was 'instantaneous'?? 'Not premeditated'?? Buddy, this was the ultimate 'premeditated' assault, pun intended.

And as for m ..... well we know he was an Accessory after the Fact. That's a given. We also know now that he spoke with Fakiranand about Halley shortly before the former hatched this plan. Or rather, started to implement it. Who's plan was it? We don't really know now, do we. But plan it was.

My recollection of it...was that this happened in Denver, Co. and that the thing actually happed in PUBLIC ..... OK...Try and convince me...I am jury....Give me some Evidence, you dont even know who this Mr White Guy is...Oh the Juicy Grapevine....

Eddy, buddy, you missed the whole show.

Of course it happened in Detroit. It was all over the news worldwide. Don't you remember? There was an AP wire shot of Maharaji with pie on his face. I think Time and or Newsweek ran it. I know a lot of newspapers did.

See, if you recall, the incident was actually a Maharaji publicity stunt turned sour. Some Detroit premies had arranged for him to get the key to the city for his 'great humanitarian service and public works'. Halley was the editor of an 'underground' newspaper out for a little agitprop. But then all of this is covered in the Lord of the Universe documentary. The actual pie shot, Halley being interviewed after. It's all there and, if you like, I'm sure there's someone here who'd be willing to arrange your very own video event so you can see for yourself.

Also, re-reading your post, I see how truly confused you are about this matter. The pie-throwing was in public. The retribution, either that day or the next, was a very private affair.

You are saying it was pre-meditated, and involving an Ashram Premie..Mr White guy....who will remain nameless ..but two people know him...well...why dont they come out and say who he is...

SPACE CADETS:

There are a group of Mahatmas known as 'Space Cadets'....These are Fakiranand, Charanand and forgot the 3rd one...these are the guys with these amazing space age heads....Fakiranand was considered to be a Saint by many premies....What he did at that instant was.....Total Anger and out of Control....it is his Ego saying....shit 'my lord has been humilated...I am going to fix this guy...'

And Jim....probably u and I would have had also some strong feelings about this subject at that time..I know many premies whowere cheered that a Mahatma fixed this guy...