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Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 20:30:45 (GMT)

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Haldor

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genuinely puzzled
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I never gave much money, perhaps 100$ in 28 years, excluding program entry which is understandable given the cost of halls.Iwas given the techniques free. I didn't experience snot and earwax but a wonderful bliss. I got blasted by energy in darshan. Met the best people I could want to meet.M's personal life is not known to me as mine is not to him but I probably have led a more debauched life than he has,however that doesn't stop me from speaking from my heart. I live in Portugal so I don't go to any programs but occasionaly I see a video at home, which inspires me to go inside and feel the experience. I work hard,love my wife and kids, care about people, enjoy life,the breath moving through me. I also explored many other lifestyles and stopped meditating for years. I don't see him as the Lord of the universe but as an inspiring speaker.What is the problem in allowing us to live our lives in Knowledge of our free will?

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Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 23:20:22 (GMT)

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Jethro

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premie complacency
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You remind me of an old friend I just spoke to for the first time in 8 years. We were both in the ashram together and propogated k for many years.

Here is part of the conversation after the initial 'hi', 'good to hear your voice' type stuff.

Me: So, I have to tell you that I'm no longer with M, in fact I think he is a bad person.

Marty: Well, we each have to live according to our own experience. I follow mine and I respect the fact that you follow yours.

Me: Have you heard about the Jagdeo stuff?
Marty: No

....(a long conversation follows where I tell him all the stuff and give him the name of an EV representative who told me that he believed that 'Jagdeo was in it up to his neck')....

Me: So how do you feel about the fact that you may be following a paedophille protector?

Marty(tone of voice lowers into sincerity mode): That's not the question. The question is what is my own experience?

Me: Actually Marty, I wasn't asking you about your experience, I was asking your thoughts and opinions about the possibility that m may really be a right sod(to put it mildly).

Marty(in very sincere voice): These things go on all over the world; it's in our nature.

Me: Ok, so tell me how do you feel about the possibility that m may have very been protecting jagdeo and others?

Marty: My experienvce is all that matters...THAT is the point.

Me: Ye Marty, I also have 'an experience' which has in fact increased since I left M...but I'm asking you as a fellow human being how you feel about having an honest critical look at m.

Marty:I know my own experience and THAT is what matters.

Me: Marty, I really love you but I have to say taht I think you're kidding yourself. You seem have given up any form of discriminatory thinking.
Tell me do you still believe m is god?

Marty: It doesn't matter what I think, it's my experience that is important

Me: Ok, ok I know you have an experience.....but do you still believe he is god?

Marty: It doesn't matter what I think, it's my experience that is important

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And so the conversation continued.
The rest was in same ilk.

I just find it really depressing that many followers/students/premies of m have given up all human values and cannot make value judgements.

That's all for now.
Jethro

5 Brighter than 1000 suns as seen through night vision goggles
4 As bright as the lights on Maharaji's jet
3 As bright as a 60 watt light bulb
2 As bright as a pile of burning ghi on a swinging arti tray
1 As bright as the inner light as seen by the third eye
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