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Thurs, Feb 10, 2000 at 01:35:08 (GMT)

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JHB

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Jim

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I disagree, John
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OK, Jim,

I think it's only fair to give you a more detailed response. First of all, I have been trying to invite a fight here and no one will fight with me or even insult me, so please get someone to accuse me of something!:-)

This thread you started refered I believe to a thread below which began life as an off-topic question about computer software. I don't read off-topic threads generally, I am against them being even started here, and I have no intention of reading that one now.

As I've said before I love this forum because of the excellent discussions and arguments about Maharaji and knowledge. You seem to want this forum to be about campaigning for a rational approach from everyone about every topic (witness the many evolution debates here). As you have experienced not everyone wants to be rational. This is true here as in non-cyber life. What I want to ask you is do you behave in real life towards irrational people as you behave here?

Let's say someone in court made a statement that you thoughtwas untrue, and then was evasive about it when you challenged them. Would you then bring that up subsequently in every situation where you encountered that person? Say at a party, or in a bar? Would you stand up on a chair and yell to everyone in the bar, 'Look, this guy said this in court, I challenged him, and now he won't give me an honest response!'. How many people in that bar would be interested?

Or if someone was stalking you (which appears to be closer to your accusation against Run), would you again shout to everyone in the bar that the guy drinking the Cider and Blackcurrant at the end of the bar was a stalker?

For what it's worth I have no interest in general in Run's posts. There is no way he could divide this forum as far as I am concerned. I do however have a lot of interest in your posts. They are frequently interesting, incisive, usually rational, and certainly helped me a lot when I first found this forum.

I hope this is rational, addresses the point I want to make, and doesn't bother anyone else as being too off-topic.

John.

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Thurs, Feb 10, 2000 at 01:50:21 (GMT)

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Jim

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JHB

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Yes, it's a real dilemma
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John,

If you notice, at one point early on I told Run I wasn't going to get drawn into it this time. Of course I've got the self-control of a gnat.

To answer your first question, court work spoils me in a way. If a witness gets really evasive and you've got a sharp judge you can really have fun forcing them to respond. Hey, the judge will make them if you ask him or her nicely enough. And even if they don't you get to jump up and down like crazy when you make your closing argument, So-and-so didn't answer my question! So-and-so didn't answer my question!. Thus there is at least one moment when you get a certain payoff for dealing with weasly evasiveness.

And yes, sometimes in regular life I've been known to press a point a bit, if I don't say so myself. Normally it never comes to that. Trust me.

But here, well we're like these disembodied heads all lined up in a row in some futuristic factory or something. Squaking away at each other. It's great when we play fair but, well it's like we're playing mouth hockey with ping pong balls, you know. I spit it to you, you spit it to so-and-so. And then when someone hides the ball in their little box, the one with all the hydroponic head-growing nutrients, well we get incensed, don't we? Can't exactly go to the other room or out for a bike ride. Oh yeah, we can but when we come back, time's more or less stood still and here we are again. Staring at that one head over there who's hidden the ball.

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