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Jonx answering Mike answering Jonx Answering Mike

Posted by:	jonx
Date:	03/30/2005, 15:17:54
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Your points (a) to (h) are just facetious and stupid, and not worthy of you.

My points are real reasons why people were attracted to Maharaji. I state them because I recognize for myself some of these same reasons apply. Are you saying none of them apply to you? Come on... some honesty Mike.

It will not do for you to then say that in that case I never understood what Maharaji was all about. I did and do understand very clearly what Maharaji was and is about. He peddles a belief-system that encourages gullible people to take their good heart and their desire for self-knowledge and place their life in his hands (or at his feet, as we used to say). It makes them doubt their own capacity for learning and self-understanding, and to rely on him for these things, which he cannot possibly fulfill.

My friend, you do not understand what Maharaji is about. That is 100% clear. A belief system is so far away from what he "peddles". My view is you should rely on him for only those things he has given you and nothing more. The rest is fantasy, and fantasy is what you should revolt against. But don't blame him for your fantasy! Like so many of our era, you jumped in with both feet before you had a chance to look. That, my friend, was irresponsible.

There you go again, Mr. 100 Percent!

Posted by:	NAR
Date:	03/30/2005, 15:36:18
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Jonx,

Is this the same 100 percent as the one you referred to earlier? You remember, the 100 percent certainty that a degree doesn't bring happiness? That same one? If so, then you should drop the "1" and just leave the remaining zeros.

If this rawat "church" doesn't involve "belief systems," then why does an aspirant have to sit for hours and hours listening to the keys? Why do they have to empty their minds of "doubt." If it were really THE truth, it wouldn't matter whether you doubted it or not. It would just work. It doesn't and it costs much in terms of time and personal wealth to find that out.

The "fantasy," as you refer to it, was created by M, with M's blessing and M's direct involvement. It wasn't "my" fantasy, it was his! All I did was hope that it wasn't a fantasy....... ah, well, so much for the pie-in-the-sky youthful exuberance and guileless trust. Remember? That was part of the "requirements" of this fantasy, too. Trust!

Tell M to give this oh-so-phenomenal "knowledge" to anyone who asks, WHEN THEY ASK...... that moment exactly! No keys, no preconditions, no waiting periods, nothing. You see? He can't do it! Why? Because, Mr. 100 Percent, he has to pump a belief system down your throat, FIRST!

Talk about lack of honesty! You can't even admit that simple set of facts to yourself. Hey, by the way, is he god today, perfect master today, and inspirational speaker today, a guru today, THE satguru today? Which one(s)?

Re: Jonx answering Mike answering Jonx Answering Mike

Posted by:	billy
Date:	03/31/2005, 05:35:01
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Jonx

"...you should rely on him for only things he has given you and nothing more."

What, prey are those 'things' ? That man is 'complete' and needs no 'embellishment'? That the 4 techniques are keys to unlock the door to the infinite, unchanging, ultimate Truth? That the thirst is there within and so is the water? That God can manifest in a human body to save mankind? That Truth is 'simple' ? That there is a True Self? That mind is the creation of man and is therefore 'bad' and must becontrolled by Holy Name? That mind is the creation of God and therefore cannot be controlled? That the love between devotee and Master is 'unconditional' and is the highest form of love ? That the love between man and wife, man and child, man and friend are conditional and therefore not as valuable? That when man finds peace within there will be peace in this world? That you can trust your heart but not your mind? That Knowledge is not selfish ? That this Knowledge is the same Knowledge that Jesus gave, that Krishna gave, that Mohammed gave? That there is only ever one True Master in this world? That what you are looking for is within you? That everything you see with these eyes is illusion, except Maharaji? That in one lifetime our 'evolution' can be completed? That what matters is the 'journey' and not the destination? That if God had manifested Himself one year later it would have been too late ? That as soon as you receive Knowledge your karmas are finished? That there is a purpose to human life and that the purpose is : to have faith in Maharaji, to be happy, to find inner peace....That you are perfect but made imperfect by the mind? That as soon as a man takes Knowledge he is liberated? That devotion means living without suffering, no suffering at all? That if you don't practice this Knowledge you will get rotten inside? That Grace is necessary to make Knowledge active? That through the Knowledge you can become one with God? That the more you meditate the higher you get and then you join that frequency where you become infinite? That man who is just perfect in meditation does not do a wrong action? That Maharaji is permanently in God consciousness? That Knowledge is infinite and Maharaji has not reached the pinnacle of it? That the people who are most receptive to Maharaji's message are people who are 'free in what they think'?

Are these some of the 'things' that Maharaji has given us? How 'reliable' do you think these concepts are? Is there any 'fantasy' in amongst this collection?

Listening to satsang for 30 years must have addled my brain and I can't think clear. Can you help?