I have been dialogging with some folks over at the Catbox.  Here is a particularly telling excerpt with Doc:

The teachings of the teacher are what counts, it has nothing to do with what the teacher does or doesn't do in areas we know nothing about. That may apply in ballet or cricket or golf but in none of the esoteric arts or pastimes. Knowledge was neveer a moral dogma to parrot in sync with the teacher.  -Doc

I could say something here, but I will not for now.  -San 

If you ever seriously believed that M knew what all devotees were doing at all times (in fact every human being) then you are the victim of nothing less that your own embarrassing naiveness. -Doc

I believed in him and all the stories about him.  That was not naivete, that was great faith.  After all, who was I, a mere mortal, to question the Lord and His Powers?  -San
 
I have witnessed he has no trouble knowing the hearts that stand before him, or minds for that matter. -Doc

Really?  Jagdeo stood before him many times in those years he was travelling and messing with premie kids around the world.  According to what you just said, he should have been able to read Jag's heart and mind, so what happened? -San   

Emissaries of every great teacher in history have fucked up royally, it's as common as anything can get. You are not saying the jagdeo thing is in truly significant are you? Really? Gee, you guys really need to brush up on your history. Even the Da Vinci Code will give you a few good pointers.  -Doc

Doc, may I remind you that you would not be so flippant if Jagdeo had chosen you or one of your loved ones as a playmate, so get off it with the DaVinci Code and get serious.  What is so significant is not that a sick old man acted out his sickness whenever and wherever he could get away with it and used his authority that appeared to be divine to accomplish his crimes...what IS significant is that he got away with it for years pretty much under Prem's nose, which according to you, "I (Doc) have witnessed he (Prem) has no trouble knowing the hearts that stand before him, or minds for that matter."  So Doc, what happened?   -San